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"There is such a heavenly glow coming off my Porg." -Jenny giving a brilliant non sequitur.

Jenny Nicholson is a video creator and reviewer. [1]

History[]

PreFAP[]

TBA

Foreshadowing[]

On occasion MauLer and the boys would be asked if they would cover Jenny's The Last Jedi video, and MauLer said they would get around to it. MauLer has on occasion referenced Jenny's Rogue One review, saying that while some people accuse her of only liking Star Wars movies because she is a Disney shill, that accusation doesn't hold up since she hated Rogue One.

Some Guy Made An 11-Hour Response to Her Joker Video Oh My God[]

"There is already a lot to unpack here."

"Well, I didn’t like Joker", her review of Joker, was the first video of Jenny's that was covered on EFAP , on EFAP 59. MauLer, Rags, and a newly-returned Wolf spent about 8 hours talking about Jeb Bush, and the rest of the stream actually responding to Jenny's video. The gang pointed out that Jenny's lighting was making her face look extremely pale, and wondered aloud if her giant stuffed Porg secretly contained Jeb Bush.

Jenny introduced her review by saying she finally had a clickbait movie to talk about, and that the trailers were good, which means she can go back and watch the trailers instead of the movie. She began by questioning the intricacies of the sign-spinning clown advertiser industry, like why a store would bother trying to make or save money when it's going out of business, and why they wouldn't just hire someone unskilled to advertise for them, as if sign-spinning performers and going out of business promotions don't exist in real life. She questioned why Arthur would even bother trying to get back something he needed for his job that was stolen from him, and why some teenagers would ever want to bully someone for no reason, as if such a thing were impossible. This led into a general point about the world being portrayed as unrealistically mean towards him. She interpreted Arthur's social worker telling Arthur that society doesn't care about either of them as the movie feeling the need to spell out the message of the film rather than show it, feeling she was randomly changing her personality to antagonize him rather than getting blunt with him because it was her final meeting with him as a result of having her funding cut. She also classified Thomas Wayne as evil for punching a “seemingly nonviolent" mentally ill man (who peacefully strangled his butler) in the face and for calling people a mean word on TV after three of his employees were murdered, and didn’t understand why Arthur didn’t simply kill Wayne in the bathroom, since Arthur supports an anti-rich people movement, and the given motivation of him killing people who are mean is a lacking reason.

Jenny questioned Arthur's motivations, interpreting him imagining Zazie Beetz calling the subway killer a hero as him wanting to start a movement, rather than just him wanting validation for defending himself against awful people, and acknowledging that he simply wants people to be less awful but also accusing him of killing those awful people for attention. She thought Arthur wasn't crazy in a “brain chemistry kind of sense,” since his illness is a result of head trauma, (somehow not realizing that head trauma can alter one's brain chemistry and even cause a shift in a person's personality) and thinks the film was saying he was cured at the end because he spoke more lucidly on the talkshow. She interpreted the "pearl-clutching" old woman on the show being upset at his joke (a joke that equally upset Murray) as being an allegory for Todd Phillips being upset at people not liking his comedies, claiming that Joker shooting Murray was spurred by the old lady not liking his drunk driving joke, and that the takeaway is that Phillips believes people who critique him should die.

Jenny tried at length to find a theme to the film, asking if the theme was that you shouldn't take medication, wondering if it was a deconstruction of Batman being a treatment but not a cure because of an offhand joke Murray tells about how they should hire super-cats to deal with the "super rats" (which is done to death and boring anyway, as a symptom of Batman being made for kids), and eventually settling on the theme being "mental illness makes murderers," and that it supported Arthur's murders. She claimed no idea or plot point is followed, and that the themes aren't followed through on either, and that a lot of the slower scenes are repeated because Phillips ran out of ideas. Arthur's descent into madness isn’t gradual, since he spends the whole movie randomly choosing to respond to some thing with violence or not, rather than him shooting his attackers in defense being what set in motion his choice to hurt people who he feels are awful, and that him dancing had no buildup to it (and the music wasn't as good as in the trailers either).

- You can compare joker to a Charlie Chaplin movie as they share ideas, but they aren’t compatible, as one is comedy. They share bits with each other, but not enough to be relevant.

- Thinks that the fact that what part of the movie is real and what parts happen in Arthur's head being ambiguous is a cop-out and it would be better if the framing device was therapist listening to Arthur and telling him his story makes no sense, but it's also old hat and typical.

- Says that Arthur speaks like a child, but then she says that he makes huge speeches.

- Thinks that Joker is calling himself mentally ill and not crazy because he doesn’t want to offend people.

- Liked how Joker used werewolf as verb.

- Said that dudes who clapped at the climax of the film aren't intelligent enough to understand anything deeper than Iron Man, and said that she intentionally saw the film in a drive-in theater out of fear that one of its fans would shoot her. - and called the film irresponsibly vague. - overall only dude-bros would like the movie.

(Doesn’t think it's her mother’s fault for enabling it.)

- Assumes that a week passes between the sign being broken and Arthur reporting it.

- Movie had some good things in it, like performance, although Phoenix doing weird things with his body doesn’t mean good acting.

- Connected it to Mamma Mia!

- Too much of a coincidence that the police car Joker was in would get crashed into, in a violent riot centered around the very thing he was arrested for.

- Trailers were better, go look at them, they have better music too.

Aftermath - The Knights of Jen[]

Jenny tweeted her shock at the length of the EFAP, following up by saying she wasn't going to spend her time watching an eleven-hour video. That was more or less the beginning and end of Jenny's comments on the matter, but The Knights of Jen did not forget quite so quickly. While Jenny herself did not have much criticism outside of "long," The Knights of Jen, acting without her instruction, accused MauLer, Rags, and Wolf of being hateful incels with the goal of harassing women for their views on film. In the ensuing drama, Jay was killed in the crossfire, though he survived. Another casualty was the brave soul Twitter user Super Kami Gio, who attempted to quell the outrage by pointing out, correctly, that the response to Jenny's video was only around two hours long and contained legitimate criticisms of her review. For attempting to make a cogent argument against the Knights, Super Kami Gio was hit with three clown emojis and blocked.

Looking at Women who Look at Women[]

For the 69th episode of EFAP, MauLer assembled a crack team of women, including Rags, to finally take a look at Jenny Nicholson's video "Top 10 Worst Reasons You Hated The Last Jedi". She:

  • Liked The Last Jedi and didn’t realize it was a hot take to say so.
  • People don’t have to like the same people (a radical idea).
  • She enjoyed it and had some nitpicks; for instance the face that Stormtrooper executioners have different armor designs than their regular counterparts.
  • People list their reasons for not liking the movie and they are bad.

10 - Snoke wasn’t anything (according to Jenny):

  • It was a "clever misdirection", as he was supposed to be a generic big bad, but that role was filled by the more interesting Kylo, and therefore Snoke was lame. Thought that people liked subverting expectations like making characters die, because GoT did it.
  • The character was just bad guy in a robe and boring, like how Palpatine didn’t have backstory in original trilogy, so killing him makes the final movie less predictable.
  • People would have been okay with the character if he said he was Darth Plagueis, even though it wouldn’t have changed anything, so the solution was to simply have him be nothing.

9 - Kylo is the villain, even though he is a loser (somehow villainy is not compatible with being a loser?).

  • People who want competent villains who can challenge their heroes just want to live through their villains vicariously, but he is more unpredictable and scary since you don’t know what he will do next, making Jenny more scared of him, like villains with interesting personalities,
  • She likes him for the holding hand connectionwith Rey, he has a mom who loves him and is a former good guy, also he stopped a blaster bolt with his “mind powers” and is “low-key crazy” ("crazy" has apparently not carried over its offensive connotations from Joker).
  • Accepts that heroes don’t die in the early part of the movie.
  • Anything could happen with him, he could become good or stay or he could die (direction less, confused character=intriguing).
  • There is still Hux and the Knights of Ren.

8 - Movie was pointless.

  • Rey has not been trained, but she could be trained, but she doesn’t have to since she is underdog going against a trained Sith.
  • The Resistance were big before, but now they are only a couple of people in ship.
  • Luke was alive, but now he is ghost, so it's a change.
  • Kylo being in charge of the First Order is a big change. He's fun because his desire is to get people to respect him (???).
  • Villains are just unhappy people crying and blowing up planets for no reason (Jenny seen here shamelessly stigmatizing sorrow as villainous).
  • People just don’t have imagination as they think that the evil guy dying means that the story is over.

7 - Rey's parents

  • They don’t matter since they weren’t there when she was young, so they have no relevance to her, then she highlights how they could affect her, but says that wouldn’t matter.

6 - Luke wouldn’t try kill his nephew:

  • He saved Vader since he couldn’t kill him as Vader was stronger, only saved him as a last-ditch effort to win (demonstrably untrue).
  • He had a vision of Kylo turning to the Dark Side and wanted to prevent it, Luke just had the thought, “Yeah, I could do that” and then decided against it at the last moment.
  • People cant just understand it was a momentary moment of weakness and Jedi are corruptible, just because Luke resisted temptation to the Dark Side doesn’t mean that he wont be tempted again.

5 - Leia Poppins

  • People thought that she had no connection to the Force, she had training between the OT and the sequels.
  • The Force comes in time of need.

4 - It was Holdo's fault because she didn’t tell Poe the whole plan:

  • Poe just wanted to blow stuff up, throwing away human lives, while the women wanted to save people, while Holdo lets people die so she can save majority.
  • Why would Holdo trust him, someone she doesn’t know?
  • It's not wise for the leader to tell everyone every part of her plan.

3 - Broomboy will have movies:

  • It was an epilogue, but nobody but her got it, as they were thinking that it was literal.

2 - Canto Bight was pointless:

  • It supports the theme more than any other part of the movie, Yoda (previously cited as pandering fanservice) says the failure being convenient thesis-statement, Jedi failed, Luke failed and the Resistance failed, Snoke failed, Kylo failed, Hux failed, Rey failed and the guards failed, Canto Bight plan got majority of resistance killed even thought original plan got Holdo killed so they failed. - “fact that they failed was the point”
  • You might hate the Canto Bight because you are racist (you definitely are).

1 - Film challenges you, and the fans won't like it because it's deeper than the original trilogy:

  • It's not a retread of the original trilogy, it had pandering like Yoda, throne room fight and Luke saving the resistance, like how Rogue One had Darth Vader.
  • Movie has stuff for everyone. Fun for the whole family (war, slavery, child exploitation, bisection of a sentient being, fun stuff for the whole family).
  • When someone said they hated the movie, she couldn’t understand it.

Trivia[]

  • She likes spiders and abandoned theme parks.
  • She used to work at Disneyland.
  • Among her many Star Wars plushies is a giant Porg, which unbeknownst to her is the home of Jeb Bush.
  • It was once theorized that she was an android, but it turned out she just had weird lighting.
  • She might also wear Crocs with socks.
  • Her parents are witches.
  • Thinks TLJ is the best.
  • Thinks she looks like Bilbo Baggins.
  • The Jeb that runs on a hamster wheel in her head has a Jeb in his own head, but that Jeb is either dead or otherwise incapacitated.
  • In Joker, she was desperately looking for a theme (with cats and dogs, even when the theme was simple). It was difficult, as characters that are talking about things that might be connected to theme but turn out to be either crazy or wrong. She eventually ended up being put in a mental hospital for realizing that there is no theme or message in the movie, after which she started writing repeatedly in the walls of her cell with her own blood that "there is no theme".

Quotes[]

“I can't stop coming for the Fantastic Beasts movie.”

“But like, what was the theme?“

“It doesn’t really work, because, like, it is a comedy.”

“Like, just rewatch the trailers, it’s a better experience than watching the whole movie.”

“You can’t follow the emotional cues of any story more complex than, like, Iron Man.”

“Is it about the unfairness of class disparity?”

“Is it about how violent criminals are just unhinged, shouldn’t be looked to as heroes or symbols?”

"Is it literally just a deconstruction of Batman?”

"Like, is him being locked up bad or good?”

“Is the movie really about the underfunding of mental healthcare?”

“So is the message to embrace the idea of people having strange tics or social disorders and not expect a degree of normalcy?”

“The movie gives so many of its characters statements that sound like they’re the theme, about like, what’s wrong with society, what needs to be fixed.”

“So is the message nobody should be on meds?”

References[]

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